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briktopp
16-02-06, 03:30 PM
This is a dramatisation of the final Hours of the Nazis and the German Powers in a Berlin Bunker at the end of WWII

Its more of a study of a society that is paying the price for adopting extremism than it is a war film.

This was really compelling viewing on 2 counts - the performance of the actor who played hitler must be one of the best i've seen. He brillianty carries off the hugely contrasting bits of the characters humanity with complete ranting paranoid madness. when he went off on one its just funny but also scary how people around him react.

If you get a chance to watch this film do so with others and start a sweepstake on who will commit hari kari next. Its pretty depressing stuff otherwise

It is subtitled and its a slick production

7.5/10

bones
16-02-06, 03:44 PM
sounds good!

ArTFuL DoDGeR
16-02-06, 04:07 PM
Yes bones, elaborate please :?

i've never heard of it is it quite a new film or has it been out for a while? You say its quite good in the description yet you only say its worth 7.5/10 would you say its worth watching or not?

Stokes

bones
16-02-06, 06:22 PM
i am just giving my opinion.
is what your saying to me is "please pad out your post with spam, or do not post at all"?
arent i entitled to my opinion? however small it may be?

LiNK
16-02-06, 06:31 PM
When i read the first 2 lines of the post I thought, "Gees this sounds a lot like "Der Untergang" why can't people come up with their own ideas anymore...
Then it hit me Downfall is a free translation of Untergang (or Ondergang in dutch) so it's one and the same movie :P

Anyway, it is a little gem of a movie and anyone who speaks german should turn off the subtitles because the dialogues are magnificent!

Mincemeat
16-02-06, 06:40 PM
i am just giving my opinion.
is what your saying to me is "please pad out your post with spam, or do not post at all"?
arent i entitled to my opinion? however small it may be?

Dont take things to seriously mate. Learn to ignore peoples comments sometimes! :wink: Anyway I thought it sounds good as well 8-)

McBain
16-02-06, 06:46 PM
is what your saying to me is "please pad out your post with spam, or do not post at all"?
No, but tbh your post was rather pointless. You don't have to post every thought that comes into your head. If you're reading the review and you think 'that sounds good' you don't have to post that. If you're reading it and you have a question, or you've seen it yourself, or even a comment like LiNK had, then it's worth posting.

Do you see the difference? (See point 6 in the Forum Rules (http://www.lanarchy.co.uk/conditions.php) :) )

gob
16-02-06, 06:48 PM
I saw this at the cinema last year and was totally transfixed for its 2 1/2 hour running time. It is a wonderful film with great performances by all.

Bruno Ganz plays Hitler and he should in my opinion have received an Oscar nomination (the film was nominated for Best Foreign Language Film).

Ganz was actually offered the part of Oskar Schindler in Steven Speilberg's Schindler's List but turned down the part that eventually went to Liam Neeson.

9.5/10 - Quality

briktopp
27-02-06, 09:13 AM
this is on TV this week

C4 9pm this thursday

Sc00by
27-02-06, 09:44 AM
As advertized on the Lanarchy Podcast, of course! :thumbs:

Ninja2000
27-02-06, 12:00 PM
I went to see it in the cinema and I personally thought the film wasnt great,it was interesting of course dont get me wrong but I almost got the impression that it was giving the impression that the Nazis were victims and not evil criminals.


I know the whole poin of the film was that it was written from the perspective of the Nazis but the films portrays them as frightened sheep and not lunatics.Sure some of them take drugs and Goebbels wife poisons the kids and plays cards afterwards but all the characters are far too human(except Goebbels Wife)and just not evil enough.

I have seen a number of films on the Nazi way of thinking,the reconstruction of the meeting about the final solution aired on BBC(i think) portrayed how evil the really nazis were.It showed not only how warped their way of thinking was but also how they as individuals were evil and not just part of a collactive evil(as Hitlers servents) as Downfall portrays.

Ninja2000
27-02-06, 12:01 PM
Sorry for double post the name of the conference was the Wannssee Conference

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_conference

briktopp
27-02-06, 02:41 PM
I almost got the impression that it was giving the impression that the Nazis were victims and not evil criminals..

evil criminals...very probably buts its not as simple as a baddie from a james bond movie and so many WW movies have not really taken the nazi character much further than that - downfall pushes the boundairies a bit and should be applauded. Alot of the film is taken from the point of view of hitler's secretary who effectively signs up as a nazi - would you say she was an evil criminal?

Gamith
27-02-06, 05:34 PM
NAZI - short for National Socialist, and is not to be confused with German, who is a person that lives in Germany. Many people seem to think that All Germans were Nazis, and that is very far from the truth - imagine that the BNP won the next general elecetion and decided to start a war with <insert a country here> and in the process eradicate all the non-British people (ones that failed to meet the 'blue eys and blond hair' criteria) that lived in the UK.

It's is of course not as simple as that, Hilter built the first motorways in the world, and commisioned the design of the Volkswagen (literally 'peoples car') so that ordinary people could travel across the country as they wished.
As was said at the time - 'he made the trains run on time' - he also, at a time of global depression, regenerated Germany with many civil works projects and gave them back a sense of national pride - in particular retaking some lands that the Germans felt had been taken from them at the end of the First world war.
Before the second world war started off AH was seen by the majority of Germans as their saviour, and up to the invasion of Russia he lived up to that.

If you want to learn more then view 'The World at War' - it covers much of this.

Don't confuse Germans with Nazis, and don't assume that even all the nazis, let alone all the Germans, agreed with all the things that were done in Hitlers name.

Oh - and the Army (Wehrmacht) were mainly Germans, not nazis. The Gestapo and the SS are a different matter.

This has been a public service announcement.

ttfn

and I haven't seen downfall yet ;-0

McBain
27-02-06, 06:59 PM
I've set the Sky+ box to record this. Sounds very interesting. If I can just get it off the Sky+ box and onto my PDA then I'll be sorted. Maybe I should try download it instead...

With the things Hitler apparently pioneered, is there any arguement at all that can make a case saying we would have been better of if the Germans had won the war?

Sorry for double post

Then don't, use the http://www.lanarchy.co.uk/templates/fisubsilversh/images/lang_english/icon_edit.gif button. ;)

Ninja2000
28-02-06, 10:56 AM
With the things Hitler apparently pioneered, is there any arguement at all that can make a case saying we would have been better of if the Germans had won the war?



This is one of the most interesting debates in History,personally I think Hitler was a maniac,he was directly responsible for the deaths of millions of civilians and soldiers,however since many of us did not fight in that conflict we can view the historical implications of Hitlers Victory with less humanity.

The nazis were extremly advanced in technology terms,it was the failings of Hitler that lost them the war,it is actually possible to see that if Hitler wasnt in command then they may have indeed won.

Some of the Mistakes Hitler made in the war was

1.The Invasion of the Soviet Union(Biggest mistake lost 2/3 of their capability to Soviet Forces)

2.The indecision to kill or capture the remaining troops at Dunkirk

3.The Axis decision to attack the US(although not really Hitler fault)

4.Hitler had of built his underground bases at the start if the war.


This would have allowed them to win without a doubt.

Hitler gets a lot of credit for being a genius but as Einstein said:

" The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources"

This is true of Hitler too,he didnt invent Blitzkrieg nor did he invent the tanks or the bombers or the weapons,he was the leader of a group of crazy but talented leaders.

The real architects to his success were the soldiers and the scientists,however Hitler wasted so much potential by not listening to his Generals,the Generals didnt want an invasion of the Soviet Union so soon and were against the tactic used to attack Russia as it had been tried before by Napoleon and had failed due to the harsh winter,size of territory and distance from supply lines.

Personally there are a number of things I admired about Hitlers Civilization

1.The sense of unity and purpose(misguided but admirable)
2.The Economic Power
3.Hard Working people.
4.State Integrity over religion
5.Speed of the reconstruction of germany from Third World to World Power
6.Admiration of technology
7.The Ability to bury sentiment and to choose what best benefitted now rather that what was historically important(Ie old buildings and tradition)

The Nazis didnt have to go to war at all,they could have built their civilization up and achieved most of their aims without ever having to go for world conquest.

Although we see them as purely evil,all nations have dark secrets,I mean Winston Churchill was considered a Hero after WW2 but if you read upon his past and upon his character he was no angel himself.This is however no excuse to kill millions.